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Poster: laptaper Date: Nov 24, 2005 6:15am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The Greedful Dead

Okay, BS check time:

1. The music belongs to the Grateful Dead. It is theirs to give, sell, withold, convert to ad jingles, whatever. They created it, sweated for it, bled the life experiences and honed the musical skills that enabled them to create things of beauty. It is their art and their property.

2. Over the years they have generously allowed the taping and non-commercial trading of their music. This constitutes a gift. When someone gives you a present, the only appropriate response is "Thank you". Anything else is ingratitude and churlishness.

3. The fact that someone who gives you something can afford it does not mean they owe it to you.

4. When you get something for nothing, someone is getting nothing for something.

5. What have you ever given the Grateful Dead? I don't mean what have you bought from them, I mean what have you given, without expectation of anything in return?

6. "I want it" does not equal "I deserve it".

7. The people employed by the Dead have to be paid year round, whether they're touring or not. From what I've heard, when there's no money coming in this comes out of Phil's pocket, equaling $100s K a month. Kind of cuts into the whole retirement plan thing.

8. Any band that will let you tape with a cassette Walkman's cruddy condenser mike is already doing you favors.

9. Giving Phil the finger will persuade him to put the boards back up - yeah, right.

10. The Dead always reserved the right to withdraw their sanction of live taping and trading. They haven't done that to my knowledge (which would be their right), just closed off the easiest access to their music. Trading didn't begin with archive.org and won't end with it. Grow up, learn, move on.

11. See last sentence of 10.

12. You'll never lack for boards as long as you know how to make friends. Guess you're SOL, HighNRGOne

Thank you Brewster.
Thank you Grateful Dead.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 24, 2005 6:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The Greedful Dead

i agree.i was mad but it does belong to the band.Here.s to 8-27-72 coming out on dvd and cd next year.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMichael Anderson Date: Nov 25, 2005 4:42pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The Greedful Dead


I'm not a hardcore deadhead by any stretch, but as an outsider, what you say rights true.

People need to get some context.

I'd just gotten into downloading shows off this site, and I really appreciated it. I'm very sorry that's ended, but I never thought it was my divine right to have people provide this stuff to me for free.

Nonetheless, I've got a dozen or so of the best shows in FLAC; if peeps want 'em, email me at mahanatma@gmail.com.

Because you can't always get what ya want, but ya get what need, know what I mean?

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Poster: HighNRGOne Date: Nov 25, 2005 4:28pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The Greedful Dead

They win.

This post was modified by HighNRGOne on 2005-11-26 00:28:06

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Poster: confusedlistening Date: Nov 24, 2005 7:32am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The Greedful Dead

I was born in 1988, and i cannot say that i ever saw a g.d. show. I was seven when they were playing at soldier field. I fell in love and grew to appreciate the grateful dead so much through their recordings, and through the concerts taht i was not fortunate to attend, but i could still blast them in my house and dance up a ruckus. This was an AMAZING way to get your hands on the best music around. I have downloaded many many shows from this site, but i still wanted many many more and its a bummer that that isnt possible anymore. I would say the worst part of this entire thing is that it will be a much more difficult task to spread the peace, love, and pure joy that was the grateful dead.


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Poster: petesake Date: Nov 24, 2005 10:21am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The Greedful Dead

As far as SBD's I don't need them and have so many I haven't even listened to (in full) yet that I have years to go.
what is YOUR actual beef then? making the world conform
to your idea of just?

relentlessly collecting more than one needs or can consume
sounds a lot like GREED.

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Poster: dr. flashback Date: Nov 24, 2005 1:36pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The Greedful Dead

Dear High,
I agree with much of WHAT you've said, but if you wanna persuade folks to see your point, you might try and say it a little better, clearer or at least nicer? I know, I'm pissed too. But these times and issues require a cool head and a clear strategy about HOW (if at all possible) to change this insane, greedy policy move. We can petition, we can call 1-800-225-3323 and KEEP calling until they have to shut off the phones. We can write or Email them directly. Beyond that - I'm not sure what other resources we have to get GDP or the band to listen. I'm open to suggestion?
I would love to be there on the front row at Phil with my own sign! It won't help of course - but it feels good to at least try and talk back to a band that has long since stopped listening to its fan base.
Also, I'm betting that like me, you were born before 1960 and remember something called the DIGGERS in S.F.
This is one of those where you're either old enough to remember the movement, and the spirit of fighting against capitalist materialism, or you're not. And if you're not, it's likely that you just don't get it and never will.
I'm guessing that many here, esp. the younger fans (no disrespect intended) have never put their butt on the line and demonstrated in the streets, as I have. Or been hassled and beaten up by cops - JUST for having long hair, as I was.
My point being that the same forces we were fighting against in the 60's is what we're still facing here on the music issue.
And that IS -
that there is a cultural, artistic and especially a spiritual value to life that should not be imposed upon, restricted or damaged by the ECONOMIC or corporate aspect of society. We are spiritual beings FIRST, who need art, music, literature as well as community, love and trust in order for life to have any meaning and quality to it. Jeeez people - do I have to remind folks to read Tom Hayden's "Port Huron Statement" which said it more eloquently that i ever could.
If you think life is only about money and who owns what, then God help you people. Society today has become SO much more corporate-slave consumer-ish than I would have ever believed. My SUV is bigger than your SUV. $300 running shoes with lights. Living on credit cards. Give me a break!!
There are larger, more important cultural and spiritual issues involved here. Arguing that the Dead own this music, or that GDP is having staff layoffs (which they are) is only partly accurate because it simply misses the bigger picture. Why did the parking lot scenes get so bad by 1990? Why did you see Phish fans shooting up heroin at shows? Because these higher, more important spiritual values got lost along the way when the Corporate-marketplace values took over - both for bands AND the audiences.
And to that point - we ALL have to take some blame. Why are we as a society in such a desparate need to be entertained by "Media Celebrity Gods" (I'm talking TV, movies, rock and roll, ALL of it) that we sacrifice our spiritual values and higher ethics just to be constantly "entertained". We are guilty of feeding this monster, and only we can pull the plug.
I am an old, hard core non-materialist. I live VERY simply. I don't own a TV, or a cell phone. On this Thanksgiving Day, I would urge everyone to give thanks, but also to live simply. If your ethics tell you something is too expensive - like $200 concert tickets - DON'T buy it!!
Life is about more than legal rights or how much money you have, or need. The reason we hippies scared the crap outta the "Establishment" wasn't the weird clothes or the drugs. It was that we were becoming a NON-CONSUMER counter culture, that by the 70's had turned into the "back to the land" Mother Earth News movement. And they stopped it, almost. And that's how you get 20 year olds who have illusions of being "counter culture" shopping at Wal Mart and not seeing the contradictions at all.
You either get it or you don't, folks. Find an old copy of "The Greening of America".
Last point to consider - if Woodstock Ventures, Inc. had taken the GDP hard line, and only allowed people with tickets to attend - what would it have become? Just another rock concert. It was the spiritual and cultural values that luckily, got through to them and they said, "This thing is bigger than us, let everybody in for free". The father of John Roberts, one of the 2 main investors, was set to lose over 1 million dollars due to all the cold checks written. And do you know what he said - as he covered his son's financial losses?
"You can lose your money a dozen times, but you can only lose your good name and self-respect ONCE".
Something for the Grateful Dead to take heed to.
Thanks for listening,
Dr. Flashback
Live simply, live free, be grateful.

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Poster: SavoyTruffle Date: Nov 25, 2005 5:22pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The Greedful Dead

thanks for posting.

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Poster: S Travers Date: Nov 25, 2005 5:13pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The Greedful Dead

Quite nicley said!!

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